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DRA: control plane controller ("classic DRA") #3063

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pohly opened this issue Nov 30, 2021 · 167 comments
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DRA: control plane controller ("classic DRA") #3063

pohly opened this issue Nov 30, 2021 · 167 comments
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pohly commented Nov 30, 2021

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pohly commented Nov 30, 2021

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ahg-g commented Dec 20, 2021

do we have a discussion issue on this enhancement?

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pohly commented Jan 10, 2022

@ahg-g: with discussion issue you mean a separate issue in some repo (where?) in which arbitrary comments are welcome?

No, not at the moment. I've also not seen that done elsewhere before. IMHO at this point the open KEP PR is a good place to collect feedback and questions. I also intend to come to the next SIG-Scheduling meeting.

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ahg-g commented Jan 10, 2022

@ahg-g: with discussion issue you mean a separate issue in some repo (where?) in which arbitrary comments are welcome?

Yeah, this is what I was looking for, the issue would be under k/k repo.

No, not at the moment. I've also not seen that done elsewhere before.

That is actually the common practice, one starts a feature request issue where the community discusses initial ideas and the merits of the request (look for issues with label kind/feature). That is what I would expect in the discussion link.

IMHO at this point the open KEP PR is a good place to collect feedback and questions. I also intend to come to the next SIG-Scheduling meeting.

But the community have no idea what this is about yet, so better to have an issue discusses "What would you like to be added?" and "Why is this needed" beforehand. Also, meetings are attended by fairly small groups of contributors, having an issue tracking the discussion is important IMO.

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pohly commented Jan 10, 2022

In my work in SIG-Storage I've not seen much use of such a discussion issue. Instead I had the impression that the usage of "kind/feature" is discouraged nowadays.

https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/new?assignees=&labels=kind%2Ffeature&template=enhancement.yaml explicitly says

Feature requests are unlikely to make progress as issues. Please consider engaging with SIGs on slack and mailing lists, instead. A proposal that works through the design along with the implications of the change can be opened as a KEP.

This proposal was discussed with various people beforehand, now we are in the formal KEP phase. But I agree, it is hard to provide a good link to those prior discussions.

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ahg-g commented Jan 10, 2022

We use that in sig-scheduling, and it does serve as a very good place for initial rounds of discussions, discussions on slack and meetings are hard to reference as you pointed out.

I still have no idea what this is proposing, and I may not attend the next sig meeting for example...

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gracenng commented Jan 30, 2022

Hi @ ! 1.24 Enhancements team here.
Checking in as we approach enhancements freeze in less than a week on 18:00pm PT on Thursday Feb 3rd
Here’s where this enhancement currently stands:

  • Updated KEP file using the latest template has been merged into the k/enhancements repo. KEP-3063: dynamic resource allocation #3064
  • KEP status is marked as implementable for this release with latest-milestone: 1.24
  • KEP has a test plan section filled out.
  • KEP has up to date graduation criteria.
  • KEP has a production readiness review that has been completed and merged into k/enhancements.

The status of this enhancement is track as at risk.
Thanks!

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gracenng commented Feb 4, 2022

The Enhancements Freeze is now in effect and this enhancement is removed from the release.
Please feel free to file an exception.

/milestone clear

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Hello @pohly 👋, 1.25 Enhancements team here.

Just checking in as we approach enhancements freeze on 18:00 PST on Thursday June 16, 2022.

For note, This enhancement is targeting for stage alpha for 1.25 (correct me, if otherwise)

Here's where this enhancement currently stands:

  • KEP file using the latest template has been merged into the k/enhancements repo.
  • KEP status is marked as implementable
  • KEP has a updated detailed test plan section filled out
  • KEP has up to date graduation criteria
  • KEP has a production readiness review that has been completed and merged into k/enhancements.

It looks like #3064 will address everything in this list.

For note, the status of this enhancement is marked as at risk. Please keep the issue description up-to-date with appropriate stages as well. Thank you!

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Hello @pohly 👋, just a quick check-in again, as we approach the 1.25 enhancements freeze.

Please plan to get #3064 reviewed and merged before enhancements freeze on Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 18:00 PM PT.

For note, the current status of the enhancement is atat-risk. Thank you!

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thockin commented Sep 29, 2024

I agree. I do not see any possible future where classic DRA is revived. "Exploring" can be done on 1.31 or 1.30 or ... - why do we need to keep it in 1.32?

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jenshu commented Oct 1, 2024

@pohly (enhancements team here) can you confirm if this is slated for deprecation in 1.32?

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pohly commented Oct 1, 2024

classic DRA has some limitations and we invested and decided to move with structured DRA, what is the point of exploring classic DRA?

Structured parameters has other limitations. That's why we are working on additional KEPs for it, and that is likely to continue for a while.

"Exploring" can be done on 1.31 or 1.30 or ... - why do we need to keep it in 1.32?

Perhaps because it's easier to install one version of Kubernetes and then try out different approaches? Just a thought.

can you confirm if this is slated for deprecation in 1.32?

I am not sure whether we have reached a consensus. Deadline for a decision is probably soon enough before KEP freeze so that we can still record a decision to remove it. If we keep it, no updates will be needed.

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jenshu commented Oct 1, 2024

@pohly ok thank you, I will mark this at risk for enhancement freeze for now, pending your decision.

Please keep in mind that the PRR freeze is coming up on Thursday 3rd October 2024 and the enhancements freeze is on 02:00 UTC Friday 11th October 2024 / 19:00 PDT Thursday 10th October 2024

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Perhaps because it's easier to install one version of Kubernetes and then try out different approaches? Just a thought.

That's not a strong argument. Unless there is a compelling argument defending the need for classic DRA to stay one more release, I prefer we remove it ASAP. The more we keep it, the more vendors will depend on it and make it harder and harder to remove every passing release.

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thockin commented Oct 1, 2024

I agree. It also makes people think that we are hedging our bet around structured parameters, and I don't think we are. If there are truly shortcomings with it, and I accept that there are, and we will fix those forward.

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pohly commented Oct 4, 2024

I've created #4904 to mark the KEP as "withdrawn" and notified folks on #wg-device-management.

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kannon92 commented Oct 7, 2024

@pohly can you update the PR description to include the latest changes for 1.32?

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Much of the PRR text that was originally written for "classic DRA" applies also
to "structured parameters". It gets copied from kubernetes#3063 to kubernetes#4381, with some
adaptions.

The v1beta1 API will be almost identical to the v1alpha3 API, with just some
minor tweaks to fix oversights.

The kubelet gRPC gets bumped with no changes. Nonetheless, drivers should get
updated, which can be done by updating the Go dependencies and optionally
changing the API import.
@jenshu jenshu moved this from At risk for enhancements freeze to Tracked for enhancements freeze in 1.32 Enhancements Tracking Oct 11, 2024
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jenshu commented Oct 11, 2024

1.32 Enhancements team here. I see the updates have been made to withdraw this KEP, and I've updated the status to tracked for enhancements freeze

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rytswd commented Oct 18, 2024

Hi @pohly 👋 -- this is Ryota (@rytswd) from the v1.32 Communications Team!

For the v1.32 release, we are currently in the process of collecting and curating a list of potential feature blogs, and we are keen to hear if you would consider writing one for this withdrawal!

As you may be aware, feature blogs are a great way to communicate to users about features which fall into (but not limited to) the following categories:

  • This introduces some breaking change(s)
  • This has significant impacts and/or implications to users
  • ...Or this is a long-awaited feature, which would go a long way to cover the journey more in detail 🎉

To opt in to write a feature blog, could you please let us know and open a "Feature Blog placeholder PR" (which can be only a skeleton at first) against the website repository by Wednesday, 30th Oct 2024? For more information about writing a blog, please find the blog contribution guidelines 📚

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Some timeline to keep in mind:

  • 02:00 UTC Wednesday, 30th Oct: Feature blog PR freeze
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Note

In your placeholder PR, use XX characters for the blog date in the front matter and file name. We will work with you on updating the PR with the publication date once we have a final number of feature blogs for this release.

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jenshu commented Oct 28, 2024

Hello @pohly 👋, v1.32 Enhancements team here.

With all the implementation (code related) PRs merged per the issue description:

This enhancement is now marked as tracked for code freeze for the v1.32 Code Freeze!

Additionally, please let me know if there are any other PRs in k/k that we should track for this KEP, so that we can maintain accurate status.

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rytswd commented Oct 29, 2024

Hi @pohly 👋, v1.32 Communications Team here again!

This is a gentle reminder for the feature blog deadline mentioned above, which is 02:00 UTC Wednesday, 30th Oct. To opt in, please let us know and open a Feature Blog placeholder PR against k/website by the deadline. If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to us!

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pohly commented Nov 19, 2024

/wg device-management

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pohly commented Nov 19, 2024

This was withdrawn in 1.32 and the feature gate definition got removed in that same release because it was alpha. There's nothing left to do.

/close

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@pohly: Closing this issue.

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This was withdrawn in 1.32 and the feature gate definition got removed in that same release because it was alpha.

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