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[RFC 0083] Common interface package sets #83
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feature: common-interface-package-sets | ||||||
start-date: 2020-12-19 | ||||||
author: Frederik Rietdijk (@FRidh) | ||||||
co-authors: | ||||||
related-issues: | ||||||
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# Summary | ||||||
[summary]: #summary | ||||||
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The Nixpkgs package set consists of a large amount of packages of which a | ||||||
significant amount of grouped into sub package sets. This RFC recommends a | ||||||
common interface for these package sets. | ||||||
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# Motivation | ||||||
[motivation]: #motivation | ||||||
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The Nixpkgs package set consists of a large amount of packages of which a | ||||||
significant amount of grouped into sub package sets. Sets exist for various | ||||||
languages, frameworks and plugins. | ||||||
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They are typically grouped together for one of the following two reasons: | ||||||
- clarity, e.g. because they're written in the same language or framework; | ||||||
- necessity, e.g. for compatibility reasons. | ||||||
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Over time different methods for defining package sets were created. Currently | ||||||
multiple methods are in use in Nixpkgs and pull requests are opened to modify | ||||||
sub package sets interfaces from one kind to another. Not only is this confusing | ||||||
for users but it also causes trouble; in some cases overriding of derivations | ||||||
inside a set is not possible or cross-compilation is broken. | ||||||
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This RFC thus aims to unify the package sets to a common interface for the | ||||||
following reasons: | ||||||
- simplify usage of package sets and reduce confusion surrounding them; | ||||||
- single approach for dealing with overrides; | ||||||
- handle variants of a package set; | ||||||
- ensure cross-compilation works. | ||||||
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Often one also wants to build an environment with an interpreter or main program | ||||||
and some additional packages or plugins. This RFC will therefore also recommend | ||||||
a function each package set should offer for doing so, when appliceable that is. | ||||||
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## Related issues | ||||||
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TODO: refer to these issues in correct place. | ||||||
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- Common override interface derivations https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/67 | ||||||
- Make PHP packages overrideable https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/107044 | ||||||
- Change in emacs interface https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/107152 | ||||||
- Package set for Octave https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/65398#issuecomment-743926570 | ||||||
- Python package set is not overrideable | ||||||
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/44426 | ||||||
- Support `overrideScope'` in Python package set | ||||||
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/105374 | ||||||
- Common `overrideArgs` for sub package sets | ||||||
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/46842. May be resolved using | ||||||
`overrideAuto` in https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/67. | ||||||
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# Detailed design | ||||||
[design]: #detailed-design | ||||||
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We will now look in more detail at what a common interface should offer. | ||||||
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## Attribute name of the package set: `fooPackages` versus `foo.pkgs` | ||||||
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Two different interfaces are common in Nixpkgs when referring to package sets: | ||||||
- `fooPackages` | ||||||
- `foo.pkgs` | ||||||
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TODO which one to pick? Consider also overriding of the interpreter or main program and how that should propagate. Consider also the function for generating variants, where you need to have a name under which your interpreter or main program is available in the subpackage set. | ||||||
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. I though we were moving towards There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. I don't follow you here. Do you refer to how we pass in say There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. I meant that if we have two top-level attributes, overriding just one in an overlay can cause mismatches (unless they refer to each other through scoped names but that has its own downsides). Stuffing everything under the interpreter allows us greater control over references thanks to encapsulation (but maybe at performance cost compared to just bare scopes?). There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. I thought we do: There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. I've always been wary of There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
In theory, I would agree. In practice however this makes it so that you have to take care to not pass an incompatible Python version along with it's set. There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. But in practice both Also in other language-specific package sets there is much less breakage between compiler versions than between python2 and python3 where it would make even less sense. |
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## Variants | ||||||
Often multiple variants of a package set need to be created. E.g., in case of | ||||||
emacs or Python there are different versions of the program and each of them | ||||||
should have their own package set. For this reason it is important that one can | ||||||
easily create a new variant | ||||||
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```nix | ||||||
fooPackagesFor = foo: import ./foo-packages.nix { ... }; | ||||||
fooPackages_3_6 = fooPackagesFor foo_3_6; | ||||||
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. For PHP, we create the There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. From the looks of it is somewhat similar to the passthru for Python. |
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``` | ||||||
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## Set overriding | ||||||
It should be possible to override packages in a sub package set and have the | ||||||
other packages in the set take that override into account. To that end, a scope | ||||||
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. It may be my lack of familiarity with scoped overrides, but as an outsider, it is not clear to me what the other packages in the set implies. Are those the packages in the sub package set or does it propagate to packages outside that set? What happens when a package outside that subset consumes a package from the subset? e.g. rec {
foo = langPkgs.overrideScope { bar = bar2; } (callPackage ... {});
bar = ...;
bar2 = bar.override(...);
baz = callPackage ... { inherit foo bar; };
} In either case, I think some more explaination is needed to understand this feature. A reference would do if it's already defined else-where :) |
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is created | ||||||
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```nix | ||||||
lib.makeScope pkgs.newScope (self: with self; { | ||||||
... | ||||||
} | ||||||
``` | ||||||
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that can be overridden using `overrideScope'` | ||||||
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```nix | ||||||
fooPackages_3_6.overrideScope' overrides; | ||||||
``` | ||||||
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where `overrides` is of the form | ||||||
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(final: previous: { ... }) | ||||||
``` | ||||||
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In case one uses overlays with Nixpkgs, one could now make the overrides | ||||||
composible using | ||||||
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```nix | ||||||
fooPackages_3_6 = fooPackages_3_6.overrideScope' overrides; | ||||||
``` | ||||||
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## Package overriding | ||||||
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Now that it is possible to override a set, a common interface to overriding the | ||||||
packages inside the set is needed as well. This is treated in [RFC | ||||||
67](https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/67). | ||||||
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## Cross-compilation | ||||||
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For cross-compilation it is important that `callPackage` in the sub package set | ||||||
has access to the spliced versions of the sub package set. Until recently, there | ||||||
were no spliced sub package sets in Nixpkgs, but support was added for Python | ||||||
utilizing the `makeScopeWithSplicing` function. There is [room for | ||||||
improvement](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/105374). | ||||||
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An important aspect for making this work is that, when constructing the package | ||||||
set, it needs to know its own top-level attribute. | ||||||
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. Referring to the incorrect set NixOS/nixpkgs#114538 |
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To support nested package sets, the full attribute path is needed, including | ||||||
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. Do we even want nesting? For example, for PHP, we could have two clearly separated package sets:
PHP does not really need something like There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
I don't know actually. So far it seems we have not, so we can just leave it out of the RFC. |
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dots. | ||||||
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```nix | ||||||
`fooPackages_3_6.subFooPackages_2_5` | ||||||
``` | ||||||
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## Single function for creating a package set | ||||||
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To ease the creation of a package set, a single function is proposed for | ||||||
creating a set given a main program and an attribute name. | ||||||
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```nix | ||||||
makePackageSet = ... | ||||||
``` | ||||||
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A package set can then be created | ||||||
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``` | ||||||
fooPackagesFor = foo: callPackages | ||||||
fooPackages = | ||||||
``` | ||||||
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## Composing an environment | ||||||
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Thus far we considered building a package set and overriding it. Somewhat | ||||||
orthogonal yet still commonly needed, is a method to compose an environment of | ||||||
packages inside the package set. | ||||||
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Starting with Haskell and later adopted by other package sets is a | ||||||
`withPackages(ps: [...])` function that allows you to compose an environment with chosen | ||||||
packages from the set. | ||||||
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This RFC recommends each package set should have such a function, in case it is | ||||||
appliceable. An example of where it would not make sense to include such a | ||||||
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function is in case of a [Qt package | ||||||
set](https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/102168) because you would not be | ||||||
interested in having a Qt with libraries during runtime and nothing else. | ||||||
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Haskell introduced the function as part of its package set, that is, one uses | ||||||
`haskellPackages.ghcWithPackages (ps: [...])`. Some time later Python added such | ||||||
function, but as part of the interpreter `python3.withPackages(ps: [...])`. | ||||||
Since then, many other sets also added `withPackages` as part of the | ||||||
interpreter or main program. | ||||||
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Should the `withPackages` function be part of the main program or the package | ||||||
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. For PHP, For the extensions, I think that it should be There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. I think this shows why There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. "powerful |
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set? If we override the package set using `overrideScope'`, then the updated | ||||||
package set is visible to attributes of the package set, that is | ||||||
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``` | ||||||
(fooPackages.overrideScope' overrides).withPackages | ||||||
``` | ||||||
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and | ||||||
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``` | ||||||
(fooPackages.overrideScope' overrides).foo.withPackages | ||||||
``` | ||||||
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will consider the updates. | ||||||
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### `fooPackages` versus `foo.pkgs` again... | ||||||
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TODO | ||||||
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Unfortunately, having `withPackages` as part of the main program makes it | ||||||
somewhat more difficult to use it when overrides are needed as well. One would have to write | ||||||
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```nix | ||||||
(foo_3_6.pkgs.overrideScope' overrides).foo.withPackages(ps: [...]) | ||||||
``` | ||||||
Indeed, the `withPackages` of the main program inside the sub set needs to be used. Using | ||||||
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TODO the actual recommendation | ||||||
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# Examples and Interactions | ||||||
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## Create a package set | ||||||
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The following example shows how to create a package set | ||||||
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... | ||||||
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## Override a package set | ||||||
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The following example shows how to override a package set | ||||||
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```nix | ||||||
fooPackages.overrideScope' (final: previous: { | ||||||
... | ||||||
}) | ||||||
``` | ||||||
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## Compose an environment | ||||||
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The following example shows how to compose an environment | ||||||
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TODO | ||||||
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``` | ||||||
fooPackages.foo.withPackages(ps: [...]) | ||||||
``` | ||||||
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or | ||||||
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``` | ||||||
fooPackages.withPackages(ps: [...]) | ||||||
``` | ||||||
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## Deprecating old interfaces | ||||||
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It it is recommended that package sets adopt the new interface and deprecate | ||||||
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their current one. For compatibility reasons it may not be possible to use the | ||||||
recommended functions to construct the new interface, requiring custom | ||||||
solutions. | ||||||
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# Drawbacks | ||||||
[drawbacks]: #drawbacks | ||||||
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By not recommending a common interface, package sets may continue to have | ||||||
different interfaces and change even in opposite directions. | ||||||
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# Alternatives | ||||||
[alternatives]: #alternatives | ||||||
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# Future work | ||||||
[future]: #future-work | ||||||
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- Document the recommended interface in the Nixpkgs manual. | ||||||
- Adopt the recommended interface in existing package sets in Nixpkgs. | ||||||
- Encourage tools that create package sets, e.g. from lock files, to also adopt | ||||||
this interface. |
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Somewhat related NixOS/nixpkgs#75485