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add Stdin::lines, Stdin::split forwarder methods #86412

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Add forwarder methods Stdin::lines and Stdin::split, which consume
and lock a Stdin handle, and forward on to the corresponding BufRead
methods. This should make it easier for beginners to use those iterator
constructors without explicitly dealing with locks or lifetimes.

Fixes #85383

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Add forwarder methods `Stdin::lines` and `Stdin::split`, which consume
and lock a `Stdin` handle, and forward on to the corresponding `BufRead`
methods. This should make it easier for beginners to use those iterator
constructors without explicitly dealing with locks or lifetimes.
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tlyu commented Jun 19, 2021

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I'm pretty good with Rust and I had quite some trouble the other day trying to get stdin working with simple "line at a time" input, so this sounds great.

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I love the idea of making this easier.

I wonder, though, if we should just provide a method like into_locked() (or perhaps just locked()) publicly instead, for Stdin/Stdout/Stderr. That would solve the single biggest annoyance when working with stdin: the need to write something like:

let stdin = std::io::stdin();
let stdin = stdin.lock();

Writing those two lines as one line generates lifetime errors, because .lock() takes &self. Adding a method that consumes self would eliminate that issue, and allow writing things like for line in std;:io::stdin().into_locked().lines() { ... }.

I don't strongly object to the idea of adding lines and split directly on stdin; I might weakly object, perhaps, but those methods might be worth adding.

But I personally think the priority should be to fix this common cause of lifetime errors that prevents people from writing various one-liners, and in the process, make it easier to call any method that would be available on the locked versions.

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tlyu commented Jun 30, 2021

I love the idea of making this easier.

Thanks for the feedback!

I wonder, though, if we should just provide a method like into_locked() (or perhaps just locked()) publicly instead, for Stdin/Stdout/Stderr.

I think locked is a little too close to the existing lock method and might cause confusion. We do have precedent for the into_ prefix for methods that consume the receiver.

That would solve the single biggest annoyance when working with stdin: the need to write something like:

let stdin = std::io::stdin();
let stdin = stdin.lock();

Writing those two lines as one line generates lifetime errors, because .lock() takes &self. Adding a method that consumes self would eliminate that issue, and allow writing things like for line in std;:io::stdin().into_locked().lines() { ... }.

I do think having something like Stdin::into_lock or Stdin::locked that consumes Stdin would be helpful. I didn't propose making it a part of the public API because I heard quite a few objections when I proposed making Stdin::lock return StdinLock<'static> or removing the lifetime parameter from StdinLock. So, I was trying to be conservative along the axis of making publicly visible changes to the locking API.

On the other hand, there is some discussion here https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/add-owned-guard-types-to-standard-library/14912 about owned guard types, so maybe there is some interest in doing similarly for the stdio handles? The naming for those methods also seems reasonable: lock_owned, etc.

We could even go a step further and make free functions like io::stdin_locked() available, possibly reducing the complexity of simple operations even further. (Though I understand how people might be more hesitant to add more free functions.)

I don't strongly object to the idea of adding lines and split directly on stdin; I might weakly object, perhaps, but those methods might be worth adding.

I think there's substantial benefit for adding those forwarders. We already have Stdin::read_line as precedent for an implicitly locking forwarder method, which probably exists for a similar reason: to make it easier for beginners to do common line-wise terminal input operations without needing to know about the nuances of locks and lifetimes sooner than is appropriate for them.

I think this is quite important: adding interactivity can feel like a substantial achievement beyond "hello world", and lowering the barriers to achieving this can make learning Rust a little friendlier.

Adding Stdin::into_lock alone is an incremental improvement, but still exposes the locking API to beginners who might simply want an iterator over input lines. The only reason I've needed to use the locking API on Stdin is that I wanted access to the lines method, which requires StdinLock, for reasons that aren't readily apparent until you know some details about the implementation.

But I personally think the priority should be to fix this common cause of lifetime errors that prevents people from writing various one-liners, and in the process, make it easier to call any method that would be available on the locked versions.

I'm happy to work on a pull request that consists only of adding into_lock, lock_owned, etc to Stdin, and maybe to the other stdio handles, if you think that will be more widely accepted than the forwarder methods. I still think that the forwarder methods have substantial benefits of their own.

I guess I'd like to ask: what benefits there are to having a public into_lock method besides gaining access to the BufRead methods lines and split? I would guess that explicit locking control over Stdin isn't necessary for a lot of use cases once we make those methods available, but I'd be interested to hear about more use cases.

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what benefits there are to having a public into_lock method besides gaining access to the BufRead methods lines and split?

Locking for performance. If you're going to consume or produce a large amount of data in a loop, you can get a substantial performance improvement by locking once rather than once per iteration.

We could even go a step further and make free functions like io::stdin_locked() available, possibly reducing the complexity of simple operations even further.

Those helpers seem entirely reasonable to me as well. I would be happy to see them added. And those helpers also provide more brevity, making it more reasonable to use the verbose name into_locked as the method name for clarity.

I'm happy to work on a pull request that consists only of adding into_lock, lock_owned, etc to Stdin, and maybe to the other stdio handles, if you think that will be more widely accepted than the forwarder methods.

I would love to see a PR that adds an into_locked method to all three types, and corresponding stdin_locked/stdout_locked/stderr_locked free functions. (I'd also love to see that PR adjust the documentation of the existing lock methods and the existing unlocked free functions to suggest using these new methods and functions.)

That doesn't preclude adding helpers for the methods of BufRead as well. I just feel like this is a good incremental step to make Rust more learnable, and to give users a gentler introduction to one concept at a time. (Users would still have to understand that they need to lock stdin, but they wouldn't also simultaneously have to deal with a lifetime issue.)

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tlyu commented Jun 30, 2021

Thanks! I'll work on that, then.

I know this is unlikely to be accepted because it's a breaking change, but what if the default stdio handles io::stdin(), etc were locked, and you had to use a different function like io::stdin_unlocked() to get unlocked ones? I wonder how different things would look. Multi-threading isn't exactly a beginner concept, so if the default stdio handles can only be used in a single thread, it's not a huge loss to beginners. The impact on the rest of the ecosystem might be too much, though.

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Much as that might be a good idea, breaking changes to the standard library are just not going to happen at this time.

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I don't think we could change io::stdin() to be locked by default. We might, in theory, be able to change lock() to return StdinLock<'static> (changing the lifetime), without breaking anything, but that'd still be more disruptive for minimal benefit.

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tlyu commented Jul 2, 2021

Deferring until #86799 gets some review.

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add owned locked stdio handles

Add stderr_locked, stdin_locked, and stdout_locked free functions
to obtain owned locked stdio handles in a single step. Also add
into_lock methods to consume a stdio handle and return an owned
lock. These methods will make it easier to use locked stdio
handles without having to deal with lifetime problems or keeping
bindings to the unlocked handles around.

Fixes rust-lang#85383; enables rust-lang#86412.

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bors commented Jul 3, 2021

☔ The latest upstream changes (presumably #86799) made this pull request unmergeable. Please resolve the merge conflicts.

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tlyu commented Jul 3, 2021

I'll resolve the merge conflicts (and try to rename the branch, because that name is no longer quite accurate).

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add `Stdin::lines`, `Stdin::split` forwarder methods

Add forwarder methods `Stdin::lines` and `Stdin::split`, which consume
and lock a `Stdin` handle, and forward on to the corresponding `BufRead`
methods. This should make it easier for beginners to use those iterator
constructors without explicitly dealing with locks or lifetimes.

Replaces rust-lang#86412.
~~Based on rust-lang#86846 to get the tracking issue number for the `stdio_locked` feature.~~ Rebased after merge, so it's only one commit now.

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