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Can --trace-atomics-wait be removed #42982

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syg opened this issue May 5, 2022 · 10 comments · Fixed by #52747
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Can --trace-atomics-wait be removed #42982

syg opened this issue May 5, 2022 · 10 comments · Fixed by #52747
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syg commented May 5, 2022

What is the problem this feature will solve?

The V8 API hook (SetAtomicsWaitCallback) to support --trace-atomics-wait is fairly complex and adds maintenance burden. Further the only user of the API is node, and node only uses a subset of the functionality, and only for diagnostic purposes.

Is it feasible to remove this diagnostic functionality? Judging by the original commit message the original motivation was maybe to use the hooks to build a deadlock detection system, not just printf diagnostics. It's been 4 years since then, and if no such system has been prototyped and it's not on the roadmap anytime soon, I'd like to deprecate and remove the V8 API.

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What is the feature you are proposing to solve the problem?

Remove --trace-atomics-wait

What alternatives have you considered?

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addaleax commented May 6, 2022

@syg I am personally fine with anything here. --trace-atomics-wait has been useful for me in the past occasionally, and the thing about it is that it’s useful specifically in situations in which it can be hard to debug with other tools, but if you feel that it’s not worth it, sure, drop it.

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syg commented May 6, 2022

@syg I am personally fine with anything here. --trace-atomics-wait has been useful for me in the past occasionally, and the thing about it is that it’s useful specifically in situations in which it can be hard to debug with other tools, but if you feel that it’s not worth it, sure, drop it.

Given the current functionality of --trace-atomics-wait tracing the Atomics.wait events (not using the handle to interrupt waits), is it possible to do that in userland? I guess the problem is that on a failure to wait, regardless of whether you re-read the address after the fact or buffer the address beforehand, there's still no guarantee if that value is what caused it to fail?

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syg commented May 6, 2022

Another option here is to keep the pre-hook needed for --trace-atomics-wait, remove the other hooks, as well as the handle. The handle is probably 70% of the complexity I want to remove.

kvakil added a commit to kvakil/node that referenced this issue Aug 2, 2022
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doc,worker: deprecate --trace-atomics-wait
8ddb975 
V8 has asked if it possible to remove the functionality underlying
`--trace-atomics-wait`. Let's start with a documentation-only
deprecation.

Refs: nodejs#42982
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kvakil commented Aug 2, 2022

I created #44093 to start the deprecation process & for further discussion.

aduh95 pushed a commit that referenced this issue Aug 4, 2022
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doc,worker: deprecate --trace-atomics-wait
6743d81 
V8 has asked if it possible to remove the functionality underlying
`--trace-atomics-wait`. Let's start with a documentation-only
deprecation.

PR-URL: #44093
Refs: #42982
Reviewed-By: Antoine du Hamel <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Feng Yu <[email protected]>
danielleadams pushed a commit that referenced this issue Aug 16, 2022
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doc,worker: deprecate --trace-atomics-wait
68c4e45 
V8 has asked if it possible to remove the functionality underlying
`--trace-atomics-wait`. Let's start with a documentation-only
deprecation.

PR-URL: #44093
Refs: #42982
Reviewed-By: Antoine du Hamel <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Feng Yu <[email protected]>
ruyadorno pushed a commit that referenced this issue Aug 23, 2022
@kvakil @ruyadorno
doc,worker: deprecate --trace-atomics-wait
da7bc5a 
V8 has asked if it possible to remove the functionality underlying
`--trace-atomics-wait`. Let's start with a documentation-only
deprecation.

PR-URL: #44093
Refs: #42982
Reviewed-By: Antoine du Hamel <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Feng Yu <[email protected]>
targos pushed a commit that referenced this issue Sep 5, 2022
@kvakil @targos
doc,worker: deprecate --trace-atomics-wait
bdda04a 
V8 has asked if it possible to remove the functionality underlying
`--trace-atomics-wait`. Let's start with a documentation-only
deprecation.

PR-URL: #44093
Refs: #42982
Reviewed-By: Antoine du Hamel <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Feng Yu <[email protected]>
Fyko pushed a commit to Fyko/node that referenced this issue Sep 15, 2022
@kvakil @Fyko
doc,worker: deprecate --trace-atomics-wait
4ec3fac 
V8 has asked if it possible to remove the functionality underlying
`--trace-atomics-wait`. Let's start with a documentation-only
deprecation.

PR-URL: nodejs#44093
Refs: nodejs#42982
Reviewed-By: Antoine du Hamel <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Feng Yu <[email protected]>
juanarbol pushed a commit that referenced this issue Oct 10, 2022
@kvakil @juanarbol
doc,worker: deprecate --trace-atomics-wait
6def83e 
V8 has asked if it possible to remove the functionality underlying
`--trace-atomics-wait`. Let's start with a documentation-only
deprecation.

PR-URL: #44093
Refs: #42982
Reviewed-By: Antoine du Hamel <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Feng Yu <[email protected]>
juanarbol pushed a commit that referenced this issue Oct 11, 2022
@kvakil @juanarbol
doc,worker: deprecate --trace-atomics-wait
8f6bd5a 
V8 has asked if it possible to remove the functionality underlying
`--trace-atomics-wait`. Let's start with a documentation-only
deprecation.

PR-URL: #44093
Refs: #42982
Reviewed-By: Antoine du Hamel <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Feng Yu <[email protected]>
@targos targos moved this to Pending Triage in Node.js feature requests Oct 22, 2022
guangwong pushed a commit to noslate-project/node that referenced this issue Jan 3, 2023
@kvakil @guangwong
doc,worker: deprecate --trace-atomics-wait
579b5cf 
V8 has asked if it possible to remove the functionality underlying
`--trace-atomics-wait`. Let's start with a documentation-only
deprecation.

PR-URL: nodejs/node#44093
Refs: nodejs/node#42982
Reviewed-By: Antoine du Hamel <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Feng Yu <[email protected]>
guangwong pushed a commit to noslate-project/node that referenced this issue Jan 3, 2023
@kvakil @guangwong
doc,worker: deprecate --trace-atomics-wait
eca370a 
V8 has asked if it possible to remove the functionality underlying
`--trace-atomics-wait`. Let's start with a documentation-only
deprecation.

PR-URL: nodejs/node#44093
Refs: nodejs/node#42982
Reviewed-By: Antoine du Hamel <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Feng Yu <[email protected]>
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There has been no activity on this feature request for 5 months and it is unlikely to be implemented. It will be closed 6 months after the last non-automated comment.

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aduh95 commented Aug 3, 2023

We should probably runtime deprecate it to move forward with this.

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Moving to runtime deprecation with #51179

jasnell pushed a commit that referenced this issue Dec 22, 2023
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doc: runtime deprecate flag --trace-atomics-wait
b9df88a 
PR-URL: #51179
Refs: #42982
Reviewed-By: Yagiz Nizipli <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Antoine du Hamel <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: James M Snell <[email protected]>
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@syg the flag has moved to runtime deprecation, afaik it will be released in the next major (22).

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After this PR: #52747 it will be completely removed

nodejs-github-bot pushed a commit that referenced this issue May 1, 2024
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cli: move --trace-atomics-wait to eol
8f37492 
PR-URL: #52747
Fixes: #42982
Reviewed-By: Matteo Collina <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Rafael Gonzaga <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Michaël Zasso <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Benjamin Gruenbaum <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Yagiz Nizipli <[email protected]>
Ch3nYuY pushed a commit to Ch3nYuY/node that referenced this issue May 8, 2024
@marco-ippolito
cli: move --trace-atomics-wait to eol
860d47c 
PR-URL: nodejs#52747
Fixes: nodejs#42982
Reviewed-By: Matteo Collina <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Rafael Gonzaga <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Michaël Zasso <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Benjamin Gruenbaum <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Yagiz Nizipli <[email protected]>
eliphazbouye pushed a commit to eliphazbouye/node that referenced this issue Jun 20, 2024
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cli: move --trace-atomics-wait to eol
170646e 
PR-URL: nodejs#52747
Fixes: nodejs#42982
Reviewed-By: Matteo Collina <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Rafael Gonzaga <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Michaël Zasso <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Benjamin Gruenbaum <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Yagiz Nizipli <[email protected]>
bmeck pushed a commit to bmeck/node that referenced this issue Jun 22, 2024
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cli: move --trace-atomics-wait to eol
3b5d1fe 
PR-URL: nodejs#52747
Fixes: nodejs#42982
Reviewed-By: Matteo Collina <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Rafael Gonzaga <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Michaël Zasso <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Benjamin Gruenbaum <[email protected]>
Reviewed-By: Yagiz Nizipli <[email protected]>
@RedYetiDev RedYetiDev moved this from Awaiting Triage to Done in Node.js feature requests Jun 26, 2024
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