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OP_PAIRCOMMIT #1699
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This document has a few formatting issues, please make sure that the preamble matches the BIP 2 requirements and take a look at the rich diff to see whether it looks the way you intend.
Please note that the BIPs repository also accepts markdown files.
Switched back to markdown. Header now in BIP-2 format. |
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The original create date of OP_PAIRCOMMIT is 2024-03-15 this is the latest revision based on feedback from Anthony Towns. |
Added a discussion link to the PR description.
Perhaps add a changelog with the revision based on Anthony Towns' feedback followed by the initial version. Or use the date of the current draft revision as your starting point. |
According to BIP 2:
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Has this proposal been sent to the mailing list? |
Proposed to the mailing list, waiting for feedback. |
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I would like to see this proposal to get more review from other covenant researchers before it moves forward.
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It looks like we gonna have to amend the Special thanks to: @JeremyRubin @Ademan @bigspider edit: |
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I think I've changed my mind a bit. We were talking about computing a merkle tree for The implication of this is that where a function can be decomposed into operations on smaller inputs, PAIRCOMMIT is massively more feasible to use than encoding things into a tap tree. |
Arithmetic and bitwise operations where inputs & outputs are small enough, can already be done in Script in cheaper ways. Merkle trees as lookup tables are only interesting for functions that are either extremely complex, or where preimages/images are larger than what Script can work with.
I think the only substantial difference is that in a Script where you need several lookups, you can do it with Merkle trees, while you can only do a single lookup with a precomputed taptree. |
Is this correct? Any suggestions? @Ademan @bigspider |
This is the main open question I believe. does it or does it not practically expand what we can already do? edit: (actually the above examples are wrong, because internally bitcoin script uses little endian, but should convey the point) |
Even u16,u16 is quite a bit larger than I think is practical as a lookup table, but the efficiency for repeated operations is constant, obviously. The lookup table is less efficient for small numbers of operations (a u8,u8 table is 16k vs 1 u8,u8 proof is 0.4k) but the merkle tree loses quickly when those operations are repeated.
Right, and the key point is these merkle trees and lookup tables rapidly become infeasible to compute as the input size grows, so multiple smaller lookups is significantly more useful. EDIT: But your point is well taken that for smaller operations they can already be better accomplished by lookup tables. |
Yeah for arbitrary 8 byte strings smolCAT seems infeasible to compute the table or merkle tree for. After a bit of conversation on IRC it could probably be feasible for arbitrary Bit shifts over 32 bit integers seems pretty feasible though, that's You can also separate positive and negative shifts, and maybe break it down into multiple rounds of shifts 1-3 or something (or 1k for a proof for a constant shift) [1]: afaik existing ASICs operate on block headers so couldn't help |
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I think this BIP is already way more verbose than it was supposed to be. It would be useful if we could reference it by a number. |
Should we add this table to this BIP? And it's not just vBytes but also the number of sigops to consider, which is a cost all nodes on the p2p network have to bear. edit: I think it looks like this:
* VAULT is not exactly a SigOp, but close enough. Has a budget cost of 1.2 SigOps. |
tbh i have no idea how to read that table, so might be good to have clearer labeling somehow / break down where the accounting came from? |
This is based on @reardencode's spreadsheet: |
Looking at the Motivation section, it seems to me that the main application for this proposal would be a construction that depends on three other undeployed proposals some of which are themselves draft stage or pre-draft. This proposal feels a bit hypothetical at this point. I’ll get back to you next week. |
While PAIRCOMMIT would only be truly useful with certain other future upgrades, it is proposed to activate in a bundle with said updates. We are in the process of trying to reach consensus on said package. It's unlikely I would withdraw OP_PAIRCOMMIT, unless OP_CAT got activated first. |
The Created header records the date that the BIP was assigned a number (see BIP-2). |
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A few edit suggestions on first read.
I think this can potentially be assigned a number once the BIP-2 criteria are met. A non-exhaustive list:
"When the BIP draft is complete, a BIP editor will assign the BIP a number, label it as Standards Track, Informational, or Process, and merge the pull request to the BIPs git repository.
"The BIP editors will not unreasonably reject a BIP.
"Reasons for rejecting BIPs include duplication of effort, disregard for formatting rules, being too unfocused or too broad, being technically unsound, not providing proper motivation or addressing backwards compatibility, or not in keeping with the Bitcoin philosophy.
"For a BIP to be accepted it must meet certain minimum criteria.
"It must be a clear and complete description of the proposed enhancement.
"The enhancement must represent a net improvement.
"The proposed implementation, if applicable, must be solid and must not complicate the protocol unduly."
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Let’s call this BIP 442.
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| Method | ChannelS | UpdateSc | UpdateWi | 1-Update | 2-Update | |
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The terms "ChannelS", "UpdateSc", "UpdateWi", "1-Update", and "2-Update" seem to not be defined in this document. Perhaps they should be described here to provide context, or if this is in reference to another document, that document should be linked in this section for context.
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Will try to figure something out, it's Channel Script, Update Script, Update Witness, total cost with 1 or 2 updates.
@reardencode?
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OP_PAIRCOMMIT
is the newest member of the LNhance family of opcodes. It provides limited vector commitment functionality in tapscript.When evaluated, the
OP_PAIRCOMMIT
instruction:Discussion: https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/op-paircommit-as-a-candidate-for-addition-to-lnhance/1216/12