A discourse mantra

[arunoda]

Guys, there are a lot of discussion lately with Mantra and we need a proper place to discuss on this. Shall we host a discourse? If you like just upvote for the 👍 emotion.

[natecox]

Sounds good, I approve.

[lyquocnam]

original question: https://gist.github.com/arunoda/52244ec9f2c211e00dad

[arunoda]

@lyquocnam please ask this as another issue.

[valentinvichnal]

I suggest to ask MDG to create a Mantra category on the Meteor forum instead of creating a new one. There are many Meteor-React user on the forum, they can answer our simple questions that are related more to React than to Mantra. Furthermore if they see many Mantra related topics there they might think about switching to Mantra from "plain React".

[smeijer]

At first I didn't like the idea of using the Meteor form for this. Because we have a change of overloading that entire form. Besides that, Mantra is bigger than Meteor. In the sense of, one of the Mantra goals is to not stick to Meteor, use client side only and platform independent solutions. Deploy to npm instead of atmospherejs.

But, @valentinvichnal has a valid point. Using the Meteor forum, is good for both communities. Mantra's, as well as Meteor's. And to be honest; who are we fooling? We are all meteor developers. There is no reason to be ashamed of that. Sooner or later, the rest of the world will follow. ;-)

So +1 for requesting a tag on forums.meteor.com

[jiku]

@valentinvichnal considering Mantra won't be Meteor-only, and just one of many solutions for a Meteor view/UX/client/presentation architecture/layer, I think (encouraging use of and linking to) a Meteor section on Mantra's discourse is a much better option. For different practical and principled reasons. Apart from people using Meteor's discourse, which is fine until (or even if) Mantra has one, asking for an actual tag(ged category) is really unwarranted IMHO. I won't go into arguing why here, but feel free to open a thread on Meteor's forums.

[valentinvichnal]

@smeijer @jiku You are right, Mantra can work without Meteor.

We should decide this early, if Mantra gets a tag on the Meteor forum, and later when it is widespread open a standalone forum, half of the community will keep using the Meteor forum for Mantra related things.

Rethinking this, Mantra github issues is very active, there is a need for a forum, and many Meteor devs already using Mantra who can help us.
A standalone Mantra forum slows down new (and some old) Meteor dev conversion to the Mantra architecture, they won't hear about Mantra on the forum, but if they serious they will know about Kadira, FlowRouter and @arunoda other projects and then Mantra sooner or later.

On an independent Mantra Discourse we can categorize posts by bug/LocalState/onData/2subscriptionInContainer/question/suggestion/MantraWithElixir...
this would be much better than a simple Mantra tag, where all Mantra posts shown like in this Github Issues.

[jiku]

@valentinvichnal some good considerations there. We can still use Meteor's forums in the meantime and mention Mantra where it makes sense. That's in every other thread and post. ;)

[fermuch]

this would be much better than a simple Mantra tag, where all Mantra posts shown like in this Github Issues.

Also, this place became an ad-hoc for everything that Mantra is related. We have questions regarding how to use JSX with Meteor, bugs that should go to react-komposer, and questions in general.
This place became off-topic long ago, but with a forum we could re organize that.

[valentinvichnal]

Or we could create a Discourse like open-source forum for Mantra using Mantra-Meteor, we would learn the best practices, how to use properly accounts and roles... 😄

[arunoda]

@valentinvichnal There's a one: https://github.com/mantrajs/mantra-sample-blog-app

That's a brave idea. But building and maintaining a such a scale product is a massive task.

[valentinvichnal]

@arunoda It's true, it will take a lot of time but a big project written in Mantra would help our community.
The Meteor community started to grown when the Telescope/Microscope app was made with Meteor and the authors wrote the DiscoverMeteor book based on their experience.

[merlinstardust]

I like the idea of a Mantra-made forum. That's going to take some time and I think we need a solution now.

It'd be great if we could use Discourse for now, then switch over to a Mantra-made forum later. The only requirement for this would be the ability to export data from Discourse so we could import it later

[arunoda]

Okay. Sounds like we are okay for a own Discourse forum. I'll prepare a one (actually, just get their one of the hosted plans).

Hopefully early next week.

[arunoda]

Guys, Discourse for Mantra is live.
Now we need to select some categories. I need your help.
See: https://talk.mantrajs.com/t/what-are-the-categories-we-should-select/14

Let's use Mantra Talk to discuss more about this topic too :)